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as grover said himself, the pledge is to the american people, not to grover norquist. so it's not just, you know, republicans need grover norquist's approval for what they want to do. it's more that americans for tax reform wants to keep tax rates low despite the fact that legislation says they're just going to go up no matter if congress doesn't do anything. >> all right. so compromise is going to require more than finding republicans who are willing to break with the norquist anti-tax pledge. the gop wants to know what the democrats are going to be willing to give up in the form of spending cuts. >> despite the claims that president supports a balanced approach that democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> jessica, the president ran and won on a promise to raise taxes. i mean what a different scenario. a year ago you and i were talking about how this he lction was going to be about jobs. both campaigns made exactly the same promise about job creation. so that almost got off the table. it all became about taxes. he doesn't have to run for office
as grover said himself, the pledge is to the american people, not to grover norquist. so it's not just, you know, republicans need grover norquist's approval for what they want to do. it's more that americans for tax reform wants to keep tax rates low despite the fact that legislation says they're just going to go up no matter if congress doesn't do anything. >> all right. so compromise is going to require more than finding republicans who are willing to break with the norquist anti-tax...
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constitution and not to grover norquist. what did grover norquist do? he took their quotes, called them up, he had conversations with them and he read them line by line their quote and essentially threatened them with primaries. he's the problem. if grover norquist wants to run government he needs to run office. >> you have people like saxby chambliss to indicate they were backing away from their pledge. grover norquist gets on the phone to them in the last several days and report of phone calls are that suddenly chambliss is going back a little bit maybe on what he had to say. so, i mean, do you think that his influence has waned? >> this is exactly what i'm saying is that, and chambliss is who i was thinking about. he threatens people. i do think his influence is reining. i think there's a crack in grover's armor and that's why he tried to shore it up last week by calling up people and intimidating them. it's time we hold him to task. he should not be allowed to hold the republican party hostage like he has. it's very irresponsible. do i think there's
constitution and not to grover norquist. what did grover norquist do? he took their quotes, called them up, he had conversations with them and he read them line by line their quote and essentially threatened them with primaries. he's the problem. if grover norquist wants to run government he needs to run office. >> you have people like saxby chambliss to indicate they were backing away from their pledge. grover norquist gets on the phone to them in the last several days and report of...
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. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show kno
. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height....
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every time we see a guy question grover norquist's power, they call up and apologize. what is it about going back to the alter every time if they don't matter, that particular man has to be apologized to. >> i don't think -- >> why did saxby do it? >> i think -- >> he's worried about -- >> i think what saxby is trying to do, the hard work he's trying to do, and grover knows, and everyone knows these taxes are automatically going up. some point in time -- >> it's december 3rd. ready? he got to get this done by december 31st under ideal circumstances. what is grover's role going to be the next three weeks? >> i think he's going to continue to be the guy against taxes. he's not going to change at all. >> if we don't have any taxes on the deal, there won't be a deal. the democrats -- >> there is no deal. the white house people have told me again and again that the president doesn't want to go over the cliff. he'd rather cut a deal -- >> let's talk about the taxes. >> but he's willing to on the tax deal. >> to get the taxes up on the rich. >> let me say -- >> finish this po
every time we see a guy question grover norquist's power, they call up and apologize. what is it about going back to the alter every time if they don't matter, that particular man has to be apologized to. >> i don't think -- >> why did saxby do it? >> i think -- >> he's worried about -- >> i think what saxby is trying to do, the hard work he's trying to do, and grover knows, and everyone knows these taxes are automatically going up. some point in time -- >>...
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grover norquist is here again. i promise you, it will be more lively than last time. >>> and the next chapter in the fairy tale. >> obviously we want a family so we have to start thinking about that. >> that was then, this is now. the royal couple, their baby news and her battle with a rare illness. plus, why it matters to the royal family. this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> good evening. you've heard me talk on this show time and again about gun violence in america, gabby giffords, trayvon martin, aurora, colorado, now the shocking incident on saturday. kansas city chiefs linebacker javon belcher shot and killed the mother of his baby daughter, then drove to the team's practice facility and shot himself in front of his head coach and the team's general manager. on sunday, that shooting prompted this extraordinary moment from bob costas during halftime of nbc sunday night football game when he quoted sportswriter jason whitlock. >> in the coming days, javon belcher's actions and their possible connection to footba
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right now as part of a deal. >> andrea, we saw a rapidly changing grover norquist. he left a big hole, a wide avenue, for house republican leaders to make a deal and not run afoul of his organization. he told us as we saw earlier he had a three-step plan. he said that he didn't want republicans to have their fingers on the murder weapon but there are ways around that. he says he wants the deal negotiated in public, on tv. he said it needs to be able to pass the laugh test back home. that certainly in the eyes of the beholder. he wants republicans to push for reforms which speaker boehner is doing. he doesn't want republicans to be blamed. and he's saying republicans need to be out there now making the case for what they want so that if taxes go up, taxpayers are less likely to blame them. the way he put it to me is, you don't stand there and wait for the train to hit you. >> is he redefining revenue? every time i've interviewed grover norquist he's always giving a rigid definition, the only kind of revenue increases he's been willing to contemplate are those that co
right now as part of a deal. >> andrea, we saw a rapidly changing grover norquist. he left a big hole, a wide avenue, for house republican leaders to make a deal and not run afoul of his organization. he told us as we saw earlier he had a three-step plan. he said that he didn't want republicans to have their fingers on the murder weapon but there are ways around that. he says he wants the deal negotiated in public, on tv. he said it needs to be able to pass the laugh test back home. that...
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and it's like those presidential debates, grover norquist. when you're mentioned by name, we have to give you a chance to respond. you heard senator mccaskill. but how about the headlines this week? you have been front and center in the debate. here are some of the headlines. "the new york times" really stands out. is grover finally over? and then, this is really about the pledge that you introduced that is a pledge between these office holding republicans and the people who have elected them. it's not a pledge to you, as you often point out. the bottom line is, are you over? is this tax fight over? >> well, actually, that was last week's news. the president and mr. geithner have really changed the direction here. because there were a few people, including the senator you just had on, who were seduced into thinking, well, maybe i'll have a small, tiny tax increase and have real reform and move forward. >> you're talking about corker? >> and there were others who said -- and, look, corker wants tiny tax increases and very serious reforms. but
and it's like those presidential debates, grover norquist. when you're mentioned by name, we have to give you a chance to respond. you heard senator mccaskill. but how about the headlines this week? you have been front and center in the debate. here are some of the headlines. "the new york times" really stands out. is grover finally over? and then, this is really about the pledge that you introduced that is a pledge between these office holding republicans and the people who have...
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grover norquist -- >> but it's true. you can hear it a thousand more times. >> it may true to republican party, but the reality is in the cnn/orc poll just taken -- >> i understand. >> hang on. hang on. would you prefer a budget plan with only spending cuts, 29%, would you prefer a mix of spending cuts and tax increases, 67%. a thumping, thumping majority of americans would prefer to see cuts in spending and tax increases. but you republicans led by grover norquist are absolutely intransigent about allowing any raise in taxation, yet the american public want you to do it. >> listen, first of all, there's a lot of things you said that aren't true. >> well, name one. >> nobody is -- first of all, no one is opposed to increasing revenues by closing some loopholes, but they -- >> that wasn't what i said. hang on. that wasn't -- that was not what i said. that wasn't what i said. >> they want commensurate tax cuts -- >> hang on. you said what i said wasn't true. reince, come on. i have to stop you here. no. you can't put words
grover norquist -- >> but it's true. you can hear it a thousand more times. >> it may true to republican party, but the reality is in the cnn/orc poll just taken -- >> i understand. >> hang on. hang on. would you prefer a budget plan with only spending cuts, 29%, would you prefer a mix of spending cuts and tax increases, 67%. a thumping, thumping majority of americans would prefer to see cuts in spending and tax increases. but you republicans led by grover norquist are...
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norquist and the pledge. >> i admire grover norquist. i think he's done a lot of good. i signed that pledge. i'm honored to do it. i don't think in this case we would be breaking it by making what are temporary tax cuts permanent. i think we'd be doing the right thing. >> cole is trying to do him a favor by saying if we do this, it won't be breaking your pledge. therefore, your pledge still exists. i mean, that's about as big a favor as he can do him at that point. >> he's trying throw poor grover a lifeline. but i think the damage has been done because you've had so many people saying, lindsey graham saying i would violate the pledge, end of story and i think the american public has become more aware of the pledge, how much it's deictated republican policy. you're supposed to be answering to us, the voter, so i think that has in addition to the fact that keeping these tax cuts in places so unpopular, i think just the idea i itself of the pledge has become politically toxic. >> i want you to listen to one more thing cole said today about
norquist and the pledge. >> i admire grover norquist. i think he's done a lot of good. i signed that pledge. i'm honored to do it. i don't think in this case we would be breaking it by making what are temporary tax cuts permanent. i think we'd be doing the right thing. >> cole is trying to do him a favor by saying if we do this, it won't be breaking your pledge. therefore, your pledge still exists. i mean, that's about as big a favor as he can do him at that point. >> he's...
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. >> anti-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman. >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador, susan rice. >> all of the sudden, we are the bell of the ball. we are here to say, it's time to start to dance. >>> latino voters help put president obama over the top. now, the hispanic caucus says they want action. representative luis gutierrez joins me tonight. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama is selling his economic agenda and using all the right tools. the president was surrounded today by middle class taxpayers at the white house as he pushed for an extension of the tax cuts for income below $250,000. he quas quick to highlight the break in the ranks with the republicans. >> i am glad to
. >> anti-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman. >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador,...
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grover norquist is not bending. not yet. >> well, president obama, or as mr. norquist refers to him, obama -- president obama has done something mr. norquist has never done in his life and that's get people to vote for him. so i would also remind mr. norquist who conveniently forgets that president clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and created 22 million jobs. president bush cut taxes on the wealthy and created 1 million jobs. so his economic expertise is a little behind here. but the truth of the matter is, everybody voted in this election, the president said he would raise taxes on people earning over $250,000. that's what he's going to do. that's what's going to happen. he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. people like grover norquist may not like it and republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people
grover norquist is not bending. not yet. >> well, president obama, or as mr. norquist refers to him, obama -- president obama has done something mr. norquist has never done in his life and that's get people to vote for him. so i would also remind mr. norquist who conveniently forgets that president clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and created 22 million jobs. president bush cut taxes on the wealthy and created 1 million jobs. so his economic expertise is a little behind here. but the...
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grover norquist. grover, what a day to have you on the show. thanks for joining us. >> absolutely. of course, you know, north korea and -- media announced they did find unicorns in north korea. >> we don't often take our cues from them. i am one that firmly believes in the existence of unicorns somewhere and hopefully maybe in this fiscal cliff deal. grover, the first question i have for you is this, your pledge, the pledge that many republicans have signed on to, opposes any and all efforts to increase marginal income tax rates and opposes any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits unless matched for dollar by further reducing tax rates. closing loopholes and ending deductions would seem to increase the tax burden that americans are paying to the federal government. given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed down, i don't want to talk about a hypothetical, but there is a danger that when you
grover norquist. grover, what a day to have you on the show. thanks for joining us. >> absolutely. of course, you know, north korea and -- media announced they did find unicorns in north korea. >> we don't often take our cues from them. i am one that firmly believes in the existence of unicorns somewhere and hopefully maybe in this fiscal cliff deal. grover, the first question i have for you is this, your pledge, the pledge that many republicans have signed on to, opposes any and...
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coming up, what's the real story with grover norquist? who is this slick-talking firebrand we see dazzling the media with analysis like this? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis he was not romney and romney was a poopy head. >> jennifer: oh, if it wasn't sheer force of personality, how did grover norquist accumulate so much power? plus, high cholesterol and low pay, america's fast food empires have built their fortunes on an unhealthy dose of each but it is the low pay that's got us worked up tonight. later, karl rove and dick morris get banned from fox news for getting it wrong! begging the obvious question... could a fox news ban of its entire network be far behind? you are in "the war room" on a (vo) always outspoken, now unleashed. joy behar. >> on my next show, dr. ruth answers all your questions about sex. i mean the ones you can say on tv of course, on say anything. hey, yo?! i lost audio. what happened?! [ ice crackling ] what!?!? oh, it better not be! what's going on? ♪ ♪ it's time to put a stop to this! ya
coming up, what's the real story with grover norquist? who is this slick-talking firebrand we see dazzling the media with analysis like this? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis he was not romney and romney was a poopy head. >> jennifer: oh, if it wasn't sheer force of personality, how did grover norquist accumulate so much power? plus, high cholesterol and low pay, america's fast food empires have built their fortunes on an unhealthy dose of each but it is the...
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coming up, what's the real story with grover norquist? who is this slick-talking firebrand we see dazzling the media with analysis like this? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis he was not romney and romney was a poopy head. >> jennifer: oh, if it wasn't sheer force of personality, how did grover norquist accumulate so much power? plus, high cholesterol and low pay, america's fast food empires have built their fortunes on an unhealthy dose of each but it is the low pay that's got us worked up tonight. later, karl rove and dick morris get banned from fox news for getting it wrong! begging the obvious question... could a fox news ban of its entire network be far behind? you are in "the war room" on a wednesday. we're just getting started. stick around! [ male announcer ] lifts to clear obstacles. ♪ ♪ lowers to cut drag. rises to every challenge. the class exclusive air suspension in the new 2013 ram 1500. and earth. guts. glory. ram. >> jennifer: you're back inside "the war room." i'm jennifer granholm. so we spend a
coming up, what's the real story with grover norquist? who is this slick-talking firebrand we see dazzling the media with analysis like this? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis he was not romney and romney was a poopy head. >> jennifer: oh, if it wasn't sheer force of personality, how did grover norquist accumulate so much power? plus, high cholesterol and low pay, america's fast food empires have built their fortunes on an unhealthy dose of each but it is the...
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doesn't that change the playing field in a way that grover norquist must not be happy with? >> well, i think too much emphasis, eliot is put on grover. i think people forget the fact that republicans are just genetically against raising taxes. i think grover's pledge and grover's efforts may maybe reflect the reality of the republican viewpoint. the majority of republicans who still feel raising taxes is detrimental, especially if we're trying to get the economy going. this has become the grover issue because that is convenient and interesting. and he's an interesting character. but the fact is republicans i think at their core and conservatives certainly are against it. i think the speaker moves with very -- he's in a tough position. on the one hand, he seems to be wanting to make a deal but on the other hand they have to remember there are primaries coming up in a couple of years and the economy may very well turn things around begin. we've been living in a pendulous situation where things go backward and forward. patience probably on the part of the republicans is probabl
doesn't that change the playing field in a way that grover norquist must not be happy with? >> well, i think too much emphasis, eliot is put on grover. i think people forget the fact that republicans are just genetically against raising taxes. i think grover's pledge and grover's efforts may maybe reflect the reality of the republican viewpoint. the majority of republicans who still feel raising taxes is detrimental, especially if we're trying to get the economy going. this has become the...
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that is what you are seeing to it is not just anti-grover norquist movement. it is a realization that they have a political problem. >> a lot of positive signs for a deal. one is that grover norquist, who is kind of a ridiculous figure, it has been exposed as that and people are walking away. businessmen are in town saying we want predictability, and that is a good sign. but the indication from the white house is that obama is pretty dug in -- i want, i will break those republicans. maybe it is just a bargaining position, maybe he is making it, but the feeling is that he really does want to bust the other side. >> what happened in the debt ceiling fight is that they thought they could just do this in work is so they put it out in public. >> but he wants to raise the debt ceiling. >> that is part of the leverage that republicans have -- >> the best leverage if they have. >> obama thinks he has all the cards, he thinks he is napoleon, or perhaps lbj after his landslide. obama won this election by three points. 95% of republicans in the house won by a larger marg
that is what you are seeing to it is not just anti-grover norquist movement. it is a realization that they have a political problem. >> a lot of positive signs for a deal. one is that grover norquist, who is kind of a ridiculous figure, it has been exposed as that and people are walking away. businessmen are in town saying we want predictability, and that is a good sign. but the indication from the white house is that obama is pretty dug in -- i want, i will break those republicans. maybe...
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david, you heard congresswoman bass refer to grover norquist. i want to play what he said regarding this ominous threat as described to republicans who may not fall in line. let's play it. >> tea party 2 is going to dwarf ta tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> this was in reference to the president. he's threatening we will see a new, stronger tea party if we go off the cliff. >> yes. grover norquist also predicted an overwhelming victory by mitt romney and was proven wrong then, too. i think he and other republicans are playing a very dangerous game with their own political futures by failing to see the connection between this situation and the situation we were in around 1995 when there was a government shutdown. republicans thought they could drive this to the bitter end, and what happened? the american voters actually blamed them, the republicans, for what happened. i think it's a pattern in american politics when things happen that are, in effect, harmful government shutdowns, if you will, or breakdowns of process, the blame us
david, you heard congresswoman bass refer to grover norquist. i want to play what he said regarding this ominous threat as described to republicans who may not fall in line. let's play it. >> tea party 2 is going to dwarf ta tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> this was in reference to the president. he's threatening we will see a new, stronger tea party if we go off the cliff. >> yes. grover norquist also predicted an overwhelming victory by mitt romney and was...
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joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going on right now? does any of this surprise you? >> well, so far, what we've seen is the same people who two years ago got in front of tv cameras and said let's make a deal when it was the simpson-bowles proposal, when it was the budget control act, because of the debt ceiling. it's the same collection of people with the same sort of statements. so i don't see any movement towards republicans wanting to raise taxes or people wanting to break their pledge. in fact, to be fair to everybody, some of these people have had impure thoughts. no one has pulled the trigger and voted for a tax increase. >> i know
joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going...
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can someone give grover norquist a heads up, this is people. but about raising the standard of living for everyone. it's not just about paying some government to have more but about putting millions to work who are now jobless because that's what happens in a boom. we put them to work. and, yes, spending's got to come down. are they so obtuse, to quote andy dufrane that they can't see this? and, yes, i'm talking about both sides. it's driving me crazy. how do i know that things would be so great if we could only get beyond the stupid politically created crisis? let's go over the reasons. first, in terms of how well we could be doing, think about this. the barely capitalist don't innocent that is europe has settled down into some sort of permanent no-growth mode and yet almost every one of the stock markets is doing better than ours. come on, washington, that's ridiculous. how can the markets in switzerland, netherlands, germany do better than us? how is that possible? because of you, washington. it's because of you. we've been kept back all bec
can someone give grover norquist a heads up, this is people. but about raising the standard of living for everyone. it's not just about paying some government to have more but about putting millions to work who are now jobless because that's what happens in a boom. we put them to work. and, yes, spending's got to come down. are they so obtuse, to quote andy dufrane that they can't see this? and, yes, i'm talking about both sides. it's driving me crazy. how do i know that things would be so...
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that, angela and dick, is it really about the pledge that was made to grover norquist, no new taxes? we hear eric cantor saying no new taxes and we know that the dems want to have taxes on the wealthy and also know that the republicans would like to see some spending cuts as well. >> it's not about grover norquist and the pledge. the bottom line is this: even boehner said they're willing to have some revenue, some tax increases if we cut spending. and kelly, by having of billions more dollars in surplus package money that president obama wants, also, increasing taxes by 1.6 trillion dollars, that's not a deal that the american people can live with. it's not about grover norquist and not raising taxes, it's about going to the table and cutting a real deal. >> dick? >> i guess what i say is, what do the republicans want to cut? i mean, have they backed off the paul ryan plan to cut medicare have they backed off the plan for social security, and what is the plan? i think the president and the democrats and the country are waiting to hear. he made an offer. i'm a lawyer and deal with thi
that, angela and dick, is it really about the pledge that was made to grover norquist, no new taxes? we hear eric cantor saying no new taxes and we know that the dems want to have taxes on the wealthy and also know that the republicans would like to see some spending cuts as well. >> it's not about grover norquist and the pledge. the bottom line is this: even boehner said they're willing to have some revenue, some tax increases if we cut spending. and kelly, by having of billions more...
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we will hear from grover norquist at kennecott -- at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on c- span. >> 16 or 17 basis, we have military-run schools, and the average cost educate a child per year is $50,000, almost four times with the rest of public education costs. -- what the rest of public education costs. we could take the money we're spending today, and pay every public school system $14,000 per child and save billions of dollars per year with the same or better outcomes. host: this weekend you can talk with tom coburn -- >> this weekend to can talk to tom coburn on tv "in debpth." join the conversation with your calls, tweets an e-mail to comments -- and e-mail to comments. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are kicking off our series today looking but the fiscal cliff negotiations, looking specifically at the bush era income tax cuts that were passed in 2001, 2003, and again in 2010 under this administration. joining me is the zachary goldfarb of "the washington post." when did the tax cuts take effect, and why? >> the initially took effect --
we will hear from grover norquist at kennecott -- at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on c- span. >> 16 or 17 basis, we have military-run schools, and the average cost educate a child per year is $50,000, almost four times with the rest of public education costs. -- what the rest of public education costs. we could take the money we're spending today, and pay every public school system $14,000 per child and save billions of dollars per year with the same or better outcomes. host: this weekend you...
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and i say to people whether it's grover norquist or whatever, lord's sake, if you can't step up to the plate, what can happen to you? they can't murder you, they can't burn your house. the only thing they can do is defeat for you re-election by throwing some coo-coo from the left or right on you and if that means more than your country when it's extremity patriots instead of panderer, you shouldn't even be in the damn congress. >> tonight chris matthews delivers your daily dose of political analysis from the nation's capital. don't miss hardball with chris matthews weekdays at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern only on msnbc, the place for politics. >>> elsewhere on the hill, u.n. ambassador susan rice spent her day behind closed doors explaining statements she made back this september about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. however as brian mooar reports, her defense failed to convince her republican critics. >> reporter: embattled u.n. ambassador susan rice went to capitol hill to explain what they knew and now knows about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. but she
and i say to people whether it's grover norquist or whatever, lord's sake, if you can't step up to the plate, what can happen to you? they can't murder you, they can't burn your house. the only thing they can do is defeat for you re-election by throwing some coo-coo from the left or right on you and if that means more than your country when it's extremity patriots instead of panderer, you shouldn't even be in the damn congress. >> tonight chris matthews delivers your daily dose of...
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>> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. and we talk, you know, political strategy and politics, this is my position. it was given in private, and when it was asked it was laked by somebody. again, that's fine. not going to say one thing to you that is different than i would say to my own constituents in oklahoma. this is what i tell them. congressman what should we ought to do. i'm one voice. i'm not king of the universe. i support my conference. trying to do the right thing, i support my speaker. in this case, the democrats and president are trying to use the tax issue. instead, they ought to be coming to the table with real spending cuts, entitlement reform and compromised proposals. so far, they haven't done it. >> tom cole, thank you for joining us. >> wolf, thank you. >> joining us, republican senator rand paul of kentucky. senator thanks for coming in. let's get to the so-called fiscal cliff. the president has set a goal. $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. are there any specific ways of reaching that
>> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. and we talk, you know, political strategy and politics, this is my position. it was given in private, and when it was asked it was laked by somebody. again, that's fine. not going to say one thing to you that is different than i would say to my own constituents in oklahoma. this is what i tell them. congressman what should we ought to do. i'm one voice. i'm not king of the universe. i support my conference. trying to do the right thing, i...
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>> i admire grover norquist. i signed that pledge. i don't think we would be breaking it by making tax cuts temporary. i want to make all of them permanent quite frankly. this is a debate about political tactics. in the end, all republicans want to make sure that we don't increase taxes. but if there is a place that we can get 80% of the bush tax cuts for 98% of the american people permanent, i think we should do that and continue to fight for the rest are. >> i spoke to grover norquist yesterday, he opposes anything along the lines of allowing a debate to go forward next year over the 2%, the 3%. those making over $250,000 a year. he wants it all part of the same package. you disagree with him. >> well look, he is my friend. we talk you know political strategy and politics. this is my position. it was given in private. when it was asked. if was leaked by somebody. that's fine. i won't say one thing different to you than i would say to my own constituents. this is what i tell them if they say what do you think we ought to do? i'm one
>> i admire grover norquist. i signed that pledge. i don't think we would be breaking it by making tax cuts temporary. i want to make all of them permanent quite frankly. this is a debate about political tactics. in the end, all republicans want to make sure that we don't increase taxes. but if there is a place that we can get 80% of the bush tax cuts for 98% of the american people permanent, i think we should do that and continue to fight for the rest are. >> i spoke to grover...
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grover "no nothing" norquist. >> andrea: we have to go. >> bob: grover is an idiot. >> andrea: coming up, did you know that there was once a secret plan to bomb the moon? true story. we have it here. bob has the story up next. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] we all make bad decisions. like say, gas station sushi. cheap is good. and sushi, good. but cheap sushi, not so good. it's like that super-low rate on not enough car insurance. pretty sketchy. ♪ and then there are the good decisions. like esurance. their coverage counselor tool helps you choose the right coverage for you at a great price. [ stomach growls ] without feeling queasy. that's insurance for the modern world. esurance. now backed by allstate. click or call. ♪ ♪ >> bob: we were in a race with russians to get to the man on the moon. but if the russians got close, we'd nuke it. the moon. >> andrea: when men were men. >> bob: it's amazing, a story, the project was called the -- that is the 475-pound woman. what was that project -- 81-19. we couldn't get a nuclear weapon up there. we could get atomic bomb up there. do you th
grover "no nothing" norquist. >> andrea: we have to go. >> bob: grover is an idiot. >> andrea: coming up, did you know that there was once a secret plan to bomb the moon? true story. we have it here. bob has the story up next. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] we all make bad decisions. like say, gas station sushi. cheap is good. and sushi, good. but cheap sushi, not so good. it's like that super-low rate on not enough car insurance. pretty sketchy. ♪ and then there are...
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they need to decide who they are more loyal to, the united states constitution or the grover norquist. >> what is it? >> been i can't sleep. >> here try this. >> norquill. >> norquill the shut the [ censor bleep ] up so we can get something done medicine. available liquid or suppositories. [ applause ] >> stephanie: yes, go ahead. >> caller: yesterday on hurricane irene huckabee's show he went on and on and on about how dare bob costas talk about gun control. >> stephanie: oh boy. he is not even in politics. he just said something reasonable. like this domestic situation would not have resolved this way if he didn't have a gun. >> caller: and any situation that they can be on the wrong side of they find it tweet it say it and it drives me insane. >> stephanie: exactly. and bob costas is satan now. >> we'll have some of that coming up in right-wing world. >> stephanie: good tease. nicely done. >> stephanie: thank you. >> stephanie: jay carney. >> what we hope for is specificity from republicans. >> stephanie: and they gone none. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: this is what mitt romney was cri
they need to decide who they are more loyal to, the united states constitution or the grover norquist. >> what is it? >> been i can't sleep. >> here try this. >> norquill. >> norquill the shut the [ censor bleep ] up so we can get something done medicine. available liquid or suppositories. [ applause ] >> stephanie: yes, go ahead. >> caller: yesterday on hurricane irene huckabee's show he went on and on and on about how dare bob costas talk about gun...
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it is not about converting everyone who signed a grover norquist pledge. this whole thing is about finding 30 or 40 republicans. >> bill: which means of course they have to bring it up for a vote. they could vote. with that, we'll have to pick it up again after the break with lynn sweet here on the "full court press." going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. at cepacol we've heard people are going to extremes to relieve their sore throats. oh, okay, you don't need to do that. but i don't want any more of the usual lozenges and i want new cooling relief! ugh. how do you feel? now i'm cold. hmm. this is a better choice. new cepacol sensations co
it is not about converting everyone who signed a grover norquist pledge. this whole thing is about finding 30 or 40 republicans. >> bill: which means of course they have to bring it up for a vote. they could vote. with that, we'll have to pick it up again after the break with lynn sweet here on the "full court press." going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with...
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this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted? >> absolutely. yeah. it would be good. it's funny what an election will do. a lot of republicans are seeing the handwriting on the wall instead of the
this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario...
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grover norquist also made some headlines this week for something he said on "meet the press." both of you, listen to this. >> that somebody is actually celebrating their faith and passing that onto me. i would respond happy hanukkah to you as well. >> okay. one second. that was not the individual that i introduced. but here is grover norquist on "meet the press." >> tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so, ana marie, as sequels go, they don't often live up to the original. what do you think? >> i'm glad you came to me first so i can say tea party two electric boog aloo before jonathan does. the tends for sequ -- rules for sequels tend to be they have to be more violent. i'm not sure there really is a tea party two, and if anything i think it's a weaker tea party moving into this congress. i'm not sure what grover thinks. >> jonathan, what do you think? a tea party two? can anyone beat joe walsh of illinois, allen an west of florida? >> i don't think there's going to be a tea party two. do you remember "alien." it was good. "aliens"
grover norquist also made some headlines this week for something he said on "meet the press." both of you, listen to this. >> that somebody is actually celebrating their faith and passing that onto me. i would respond happy hanukkah to you as well. >> okay. one second. that was not the individual that i introduced. but here is grover norquist on "meet the press." >> tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so,...
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we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed that as the problem, not part of the solution here suddenly. how do you feel that? >> well, look. harry reid had a plan. he and obama and nancy pelosi were going to spend a great deal of money, and then they were going to turn to the republicans and say, okay. why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at having a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the american people for not wanting to raise taxes. he personalizes it with me. lou: what about those folks like senato
we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed that as the problem, not part of the solution here suddenly. how do you feel that? >> well, look. harry reid had a plan. he and obama and nancy pelosi were going to spend a great deal of money, and then they were going to turn to the...
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and so they are back, they are going back to where grover norquist wants them to be because they are outraged because they feel they have been insulted is, that this is not a negotiation t a war. i think what had yesterday from the administration was a bit of negotiation incompetence because they pushed us, the psychological process the republicans were going through, which they have to go through has to be has been pushed way back. >> where do you think we are. >> i'm not quite clear as dire in my assessment as david. first of all, david is absolutely right. the president did not run on big ideas or grand agenda but he did relentlessly endlessly emphasize that he was committed to raising taxes and returning to the prebush tax cut rate of the clinton era. i think that we are in a little bit of a chest bumping stage. the process -- >> you call it chest bunch, he called it stick in the eyewitnesses i think what we're seeing, i think you see some republicans we're not going to do a thing, we're just going do it with closing exemptions or eliminates exemptions and that is what mitt romne
and so they are back, they are going back to where grover norquist wants them to be because they are outraged because they feel they have been insulted is, that this is not a negotiation t a war. i think what had yesterday from the administration was a bit of negotiation incompetence because they pushed us, the psychological process the republicans were going through, which they have to go through has to be has been pushed way back. >> where do you think we are. >> i'm not quite...
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. >> stephanie: a lot of people are equally irritated by grover norquist. he is on the meet the press, and i don't understand who he is why anything pays at attention to him. and why he gives the president of the united states instructions. the point is is there a cure chris? >> why yes. >> what it is? >> that grover norquist i can't speak. >> try this. >> norquill? >> yeah. norquill the shut the [ censor bleep ] up so we can get something done medicine. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: i didn't see that coming. i should listen it to first. >> yeah you really should. >> stephanie: i have a nephewture husband this morning. >> does he know? >> stephanie: no. well he does now, if you just give me a second here. >> does he know you are lesbianic. >> stephanie: no. jim stop being a [ censor bleep ]. we kept saying it is treasonist -- how do you sign a pledge to a guy? >> with no political authority of any kind. >> stephanie: right. professor robert thurman is unhappy about the congress critters signing the pledge to grover norquist. he released a video calling norquis
. >> stephanie: a lot of people are equally irritated by grover norquist. he is on the meet the press, and i don't understand who he is why anything pays at attention to him. and why he gives the president of the united states instructions. the point is is there a cure chris? >> why yes. >> what it is? >> that grover norquist i can't speak. >> try this. >> norquill? >> yeah. norquill the shut the [ censor bleep ] up so we can get something done...